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Posted by ginger_nh (My Page) on Thu, Jan 27, 05 at 9:03
| As this is a forum on theory/philosophy rather than practice, I apologize right off for posting this practical,technical question. However, as this is a new area of green building in the US, I have not been able to find any information at all. So, desperate as I am, I have posted here :()
Does anyone have experience in installing a green sedum roof on a small, already built and shingled structure like a garage, tool shed, playhouse, studio?
I have looked into the sedum mat idea and decided it would be too unwieldly (although quick and easy if I could get hold of the pre-planted matting). Green roof companies use cranes to install the matting.
I would like to experiment with this on my small garden tool shed. Need DIY instructions--I have spent a lot of time searching the web, but no results. Plenty of photos and mentions of this being tried by homeowners, but no actual information, sources of material, directions, etc. All information is from greenroof companies--lots of engineering, heavy equipment, big jobs on new construction factories, public buildings, and the like.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ginger |
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RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| Ginger, we had a Green Roof thread last summer (linked below), if it can be of any help. Also, check the Permaculture Forum. HTH |
Here is a link that might be useful: green roofs
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| Thank you, Althea. Good thread, but no practicl "how-to for the homeowner" advice. I am looking for basic DIY instructions on putting a sedum roof on a small outbuilding. This is for ornamental, aesthetic purposes only. Something simple like the sod roofs of prairie homes--nothing engineered, complex, expensive, for the purpose of growing food, saving energy, etc. I have an organic gardening business; lots of people like the country cottage look here in New England. A garden shed with sedum roof is very pleasing to the eye. I am going to experiment on my own garden tool shed and see what I can do this spring. Trying to collect some information from others' experiences. I did get a good set of instructions from Nandina on the Permaculture forum, using strips of sod and chickenwire. I am interested in any other methods people may have tried. Best, Ginger |
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| Ginger, I suspect that you are already aware of load-bearing issues with "sodded" roofs. Succulents are particularly heavy, being mostly water, and not particularly well-rooted. My main experience with sodded roof was planting strawberries and later succulents and grasses. Our major problems was the migration of the planting medium under gravity and rainfall. In the end, much of the soil moved off the steeper slopes (30-40 degrees) even after we installed headers along the contours. In my landscaping business we avoid planting succulents on slopes much greater than 20 degrees unless the slope is "pegged" to minimize slippage during our winter rains. The idea of planting Sedum through aviary or other fencing is sound. I've made hanging gardens using aviary wire, green peat moss, potting mix and such things as lettuce, strawberries, epiphytes (no potting mix), or small succulents. These gardens were free-standing with own post-and-frame structures to bear the load. |
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| Thank you , Marshallz10. My roof slopes probably 20-25 degrees. I am thinking of installing headers, using a layer of sod over scrunched up chicken wire, as Nandina suggested, then a layer of an ultra-light potting medium of some sort(my idea), plant with sedum plugs, water a bit, throw on an inch of fine bark mulch, mist, and hope for the best. I am hoping the sod will act like a rug and not slide; also that the scrunched up chicken wire will serve to hold things in place to a degree. I am thinking of using sedum acre and 'Red Dragon' as they have smaller leaves and are very hardy in this area. Also will provide a nice display of different colors and textures. Any other thoughts or ideas people might have . . .? |
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| Hi Ginger...havent heard from you in along time. are you headed to New England Grows Convention this week? At least the weather has finally gotten in the double digits again! As for your sedum roof, it sounds really charming, and it sounds like you seem to have it figured out. I was wondering how that would fair over the winter being up out of the ground and on a roof where the roots are more vulnerable and more exposed to cold from another direction? I like your sedum choices, sounds really interesting. Sedum kamtschaticum 'Variegatum'was another thought. |
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Hi, Sue! I am going to NEG tomorrow and Thurs. How about you? I think sedums will do fine-and semps--many of the groundcover type are hardy to Z4. Their roots are so few and shallow anyway, and they make it thru our winters here, so I think they should be fine. Sedum k. is a good idea too, although the variegated variety would probably looks gray and bland from the distance tha top of a roof provides. Thanks for your ideas. G. |
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We just got back from NEGC, I was very impressed with the new convention center and how everything was consolidated to one floor. Awesome view from the glass walkways above. How did you feel about the show? Yes, I agree it would look rather bland, I was under the impression you were mixing various sedums and pachysedums types together. Is this a southern exposure ? |
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| Ginger, Is your garden shed strong enough to bear the wieght of a sod roof? From what I've read, many of the prarie sod roofed houses also had sod walls (sort of like adobe, hold up to a lot of load stress, not as much shear stress) and fairly large timbers as roof beams and rafters. Peace, - Sequoia |
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| That's a good question. I was hoping that by using only one layer of sod plus a thin layer of some special light soil(less) mix, the fine-leaf sedums like sedum acre (not the thick, fleshy, water-holding varieties), and a fine 1/2 inch of bark mulch--I could get away with it. Looking at the shed roof today, however, I was wondering about the snowload as well. Might have to brace it up from the inside. What a great name: Sequoia. Ginger |
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| This site shows a sod house. I couldn't get the site to copy the page I wanted.....you can scroll down the options [pages] on the left to: Building a sod house. |
Here is a link that might be useful: sod houses
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof...old style
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| ok...here is the direct link. |
Here is a link that might be useful: sod houses
RE: DIY Sedum Green Roof
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| Thank you for the link, Wayne. An excellent site with lots of good photos of prairie peoples and places of that time. I just read elsewhere that a green roof has to be 6 times stronger to hold 3-4" of soil rather than just shingles. Your link says the sod roofs were thinner than sod walls, but the walls were 24-30" thick!! They also said that some sod home roofs were made of shingles and that the shingled roofs were the best. Interesting how they kept the windows from shattering as the sod settled by creating open spaces and stuffing them with rags. Best, Ginger |
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